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mr. obama demands the wealthy pay their fair share of taxes but he's another leastic hypocrite when it comes to fair share of security. protection for their kids and gun free zones for ours. >> the new nra ad which i may say i find utterly pathetic. earlier we spoke to the cousins of ashley and they have a website. log on to if you want to help. before we go, leave me with an overview of how it has gone tonight. >> it has been a good discussion. something has to happen. i hope the president takes strong measures tomorrow and i hope congress has the courage to back him with the appropriate lesion, although i have my doubt because their past has not been an indication that they will take strong action in the future. i have heard people talk about reality checks.
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i have been a cop for 42 years. i don't know how many homicide scenes you have been to but i have seen what happens on the street. we are not losing them 26, one or two at a time but every life has value. when you see the carnage on the streets every day. you have to deal with it. >> fascinating debate. thank you very much indeed. appreciate it very much. that's all for us tonight. "ac 360" starts right now. we begin as we do every night keeping them honest, offering up facts, not opinions. our goal is just reporting, finding the truth and calling out hipocrisy. there's no bigger example of hypocrisy in the history of sports than what happened to lance armstrong in the last the 4 hours. he cheated and lied about it for years and years and now is reportedly coming clean,
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somewhat? how much did he say in the interview he taped with oprah? oprah said that he was forthcoming but did not come clean in the manner in which she expected. what that means is not clear. oprah is too good to give it all away. >> i choose not to characterized. i would rather people make their own decisions whether he was contrite or not. i felt he was thoughtful. i thought that he was serious. i thought that he certainly had prepared himself for this moment. i would say that he met the moment. and at the end of it, two and a half -- literally two and a half hours, we both were pretty exhausted. and i would say i was satisfied. >> well, whatever ultimately made it to tape -- we won't know till later this week, long-time followers of armstrong say they are not ready to take anything he says at face value. reporters, teammates and even
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one-time fans all describe him as a born manipulator who will do whatever it takes for only one person, lance armstrong. keep in mind as they point to a record of lying that rivals his record of winning. >> we're sick and tired of these allegations and we're going to do everything we can to fight them. they're absolutely untrue. >> i've said it for seven years. i've said it for longer than seven years. i have never doped. i can say it again. but i've said it for seven years. it doesn't help. >> how could it have taken place when i've never taken performance-enhancing drugs? >> go back to 1995, steven schwart, riding with you, kiwi on a motorola team. he has told espn when the team was struggling in 1995 that you announced the team you were going to begin doping and encouraged other teammates to do the same. what do you say to that account? >> complete nonsense. >> it can't be any clearer that i've never taken drugs, then incidents like that couldn't have happened.
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why would i enter into a sport and dope myself up and risk my life again? no, no way. >> my case, i came out of a life-threatening disease. i was on my death bed. do you think i'm going to come back into a sport and say, okay, i just want to go fast. no way! would never do that. >> lance armstrong denying it all, time and time again. since then, u.s. anti-doping agency has put out more than 1,000 pages of allegations and evidence against armstrong and his teammates, calling armstrong's drug ring the most sophisticated in the history of sports. he has been stripped of his seven tour de france titles, barred from competition, stepped down from the live strong charity that he founded. until now he has denied everything. he has a long history of lashing out at people who tried to expose him, the people who dared to suggest that armstrong was on something other than his bike. that was, in many cases, a brave stance to take. in almost every case it was followed by a lance armstrong sponsored scorch earth campaign.
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>> he would have once described him as one of his closest friends. teammates in the 1990s. frankie and his wife betsy frequently socialized with armstrong. this picture shows the three of them cooking dinner in 1995 together. what would become a quickly pattern, armstrong turned on the andreas after they testified in a lawsuit alleging that armstrong used performance-enhancing drugs. armstrong vehementally denied using drugs. calling her vindictive and jealous and portrayed her husband as bitter because his cycling contract with armstrong's team was not renewed after the 2000 season. then there was this, a voicemail left for betsy andreu by a friend and associate of armstrong. >> i hope somebody breaks a baseball bat over your head but i also hope that one day you will have adversity in your life and you have some type of tragedy. it's pathetic, betsy.
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i thought you were a better person than that. >> betsy andreu provided the voicemail to the new york daily news as evidence of the threats and intimidation she says they suffered. then there's greg lamand, the only american to win the most grueling race before armstrong went on his string of seven straight wins. the relationship between the two men was anything but close, especially after lamande questioned armstrong's association with a controversial italian doctor named mikali ferrari. frankie said armstrong was clearly upset at la monday's comments and he said i recall lance saying words to the affect of who does he think he is talking about ferrari. i'm going to take him down. and he did. armstrong had great influence with the bike sponsored trekk which dropped its support of lamond's brand, damaging his bike business. armstrong also intimidated his
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critics in competition. in the 2004 tour du france he held the france's overall lead but surprised everyone when he chased down filipo cimioni. why? only to punish him and prove a point. he had crossed armstrong in the past by testifying against dr. ferrari about doping. armstrong publicly called simioni a liar and told him privately he could, quote, destroy him. after catching him, this gesture of armstrong during the race was widely seen to be directed toward simioni, a warning to stay silent. former teammate tyler hamilton followed a code of silence and lied about doping until this "60 minutes" interview >> you saw lance armstrong inject epo? >> yeah, like we all did. like i did many, many times. >> after that interview aired, hamilton began to cooperate with the federal investigation into armstrong. he was physically acosted by
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armstrong inside a restaurant according to an affidavit and armstrong told hamilton he would make his life a living hell. >> why would they say these things? >> armstrong was asked in an interview about espn about his former friends and teammates who testified about doping. he had only this to say. >> i surrounded myself with, at times, questionable people and i've not, in the past, been great with -- when riders leave teams or relationships end, perhaps i haven't handled that properly and i admit that freely and personally people hate that. i would hate it, too. but why people would lie and tell stories -- some of them, obviously, were paid. some of them had other motives. that's clear. >> so he's lying there. he heard a bit from tyler hamilton, he and daniel coyle have co-written "the secret race: inside the tour de france race." "doping cover-ups and winning at all costs. i spoke with daniel coyle along with espn analyst.
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what i don't understand is why armstrong is doing this now. just a few months ago, he had a chance to avoid lifetime banishment. u.s. ada invited him to come clean to be part of the solution. he turned them down flat. what happened between then and now? what changed? >> this is a perfect way into the way lance's brain works, he's very good at looking at complex situations and looking at them in a binary way. it's not about being consistent with him. it's about winning and that brain is really built for that. this point you figure the best path forward was to go to oprah. that's what he's doing. the problem that he faces is that you can win the tour de france but it's hard to win a confession. that has to do with genuine feeling. it has to do with contrition. >> juliette, you were saying the most important thing to remember is that armstrong is an athlete, that he's not in this to say sorry, clean up cycling or help charity. he wants to compete in competitions and he can't do that now. >> exactly. i think the difference between
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several months ago and now is that he has had several months of no competition and for a guy like lance armstrong, that must be torture. he has been an athlete since he has just been a little kid, like a teenager. he was a professional triathlete and barely finished high school because of his triathlon career and he has had time to think about how he is lonely, how he doesn't have the adulation of fans at the finish line and nobody to beat right now and it's driving him nuts. >> legally, roger, there's a whole bunch of reasons why he should not have done this, right? >> yeah. you know, i hear what the other guests are saying, but as a lawyer, it goes against everything i know. i'm not the only one who knows the liability he's facing. he has wonderful lawyers who have given him advice over the years. he is looking at, in excess, if everything goes wrong, judgments in excess of perhaps $100 million. i am actually waiting to see how much he really confesses and what he confesses to.
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>> legally, who does he owe money to if he's -- depending on who decides to sue him or currently who is suing him? >> there's a whistleblowers lawsuit going on right now that floyd landis has brought and that the justice department may join. that has to do with all of the money he got from the u.s. postal service and the question is, did he get it under false pretenses? under his contract, he said that he would do nothing that would bring him embarrassment, and not use drugs. so if he gets up and admits that he breached that contract under the whistleblower statute, he not only has to pay back all the money he has, he has taken, but could get hit with trouble damages, which means three times the amount of money he's taking. >> it is pretty -- go ahead. >> this is what makes lance lance. he likes risk. this is why he has succeeded in this corrupt world of cycling for so long. it's why, as we describe in our book, there was smuggling bags
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of blood in underdog kennels in to the tour. giving transfusions on the bus during the tour. he doesn't shy away from risk. that's what this is. he has made the calculation. he has a net worth over $100 million. he probably won't lose all of it. >> you think he will have to pay back some of these lawsuits? >> he will pay back some. he will settle. the government settles these sort of cases. let's say he loses 50 million bucks, he still has a fair amount. he's not going to starve. he will have his narrative back, have his life as a competitive athlete back. the question is he going to apologize to this people he hurt along the way? we talk about this as if he's the only part of the story. in fact, he's not. the story is much bigger than just him. >> he has great pr. but, as you and i talked about before, juliette, he was a jerk to an awful lot of people. i mean, he sought to destroy people who would testify against him, who had spoken the truth. >> i think jerk is an understatement. i think a lot of those people are devastated right now. and i don't really know what to think when he's calling some of
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these people up to apologize. i actually spoke to a few people he has reached out to and they're like dumbfounded. they don't know whether to believe him or not. >> did you see him threaten people, reporters who reported things that he felt were inappropriate? >> well, i mean, he has threatened lawsuits many, many times against reporters, including one that he actually won, a libel lawsuit against the sunday times of london when a writer, david walsh, one of his earliest naysayers, shall we say, published some information in the paper that said he had doped. he won that lawsuit. of course, the sunday times of london is asking for that money back right now. he was a master at intimidating people. he had this great story going on, a fairytale story from the very first time he won the tour de france and people were enamored with it, including many of the journalists covering it. if anybody wrote anything that was negative, he sometimes would call you on the phone in the morning, yelling at you or criticizing you, or he would actually blackball you and not give you any interviews if you
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wrote anything negative. and for a journalist who had made their money or made their living covering cycling or covering lance armstrong, to not get access to lance, that meant they were dead in the water. he had a lot of power. >> can he portray himself as just one of many people on his team who dope? because a written article in the times, i think it was, that seemed to indicate that's the way he was going to spin this. he wasn't at the epicenter of this. >> he can try to do that. i think it's going to be difficult for him because of the thousand pages. >> right. >> of the evidence that paint a very different picture. >> right. >> because of the book "the secret race" that paints a very different picture. this is about power not drugs. he had a lot of political sporting power and he used it ruthlessly. >> lance armstrong called the shots on that team. he was the star of the team. everybody was there to make sure he won, right? >> he was the tony soprano. >> yeah. >> literally extensions of his body. their power was his power. that's how he used it. when you crossed him, he cut you dead. you were gone.
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>> it will be interesting, julia, to see how he plays this. they taped 2 1/2 hours. oprah is going to air this over two nights. she said she was prepared -- she had done a lot of reading and watched a lot of interviews and she was prepared to get specific and found she didn't have to do that if he denied one thing. she would say what about on page such and such on this book. she said she didn't have to do that. whether that means he got specific -- i'm not sure how to read that. what do you think? >> i think oprah is great. she's a great business woman and a great interviewer. i'm sure she prepared a lot for this interview. i guarantee you that lance armstrong prepared more. he had about a dozen people telling him what to do, what to say, how to act. i'm sure he went over and over in a mirror to get the right facial expressions, to find the right emotions. this is his chance on turning his life around. >> it's going to be fascinating to watch. juliette mcker, daniel coyle and roger cossack, thank you. >> thank you.
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another keeping them honest report on the growing conspiracy theories about the shootings at sandy hook elementary school in newtown, connecticut. if you don't know about this, you are going to be stunned. we were in newtown last night. number of residents have been inundated by prank calls by people who think they are part of a government and media conspiracy. surrounding the shootings. it is not just some internet extremist alleging these conspiracies. this is james tracy, tenure professor at a school that is taxpayer funded. he claims the shooting at sandy hook elementary did not happen as reported and may not have happened at all. here is what he wrote. i quote, one is left to inquire whether the sandy hook shooting
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ever took place, at least in the way law enforcement authorities and the nation's news media have described. normally we wouldn't dignify these types of remarks by covering them but james tracy is a tenure professor at a public university. his comments have caused deep distress to the victims' families. we invited him to come on the program friday night. the declined. he gave us a statement, though, quote, i apologize for any additional anguish and grief my remarks, and how they have been taken out of context and misrepresented, who may have caused the families that lost loved ones on december 14th. at the same time i believe what we can give them is a way to identify. actual a report aired on friday professor tracey accused me on his blog of targeting him and his family. he posed it as a question in the headline of the "post" does anderson cooper want james tracey or his family members harmed? he includes a photo of me that looks like i'm in the middle of a rant.
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i'm not actually. that's a picture of me from an interview i did with comedian kathy griffin from her show. so it's not from this show. he says in his blog post because i named him i must have wanted to cause him harm. i can assure him and anyone else that is not the case. i believe in free speech and professor tracy has the right to say whatever he wants. but as a teacher at a public university, we think he should be accountable for the things he says and be willing to defend them. about that, tracy makes the case, if you want to call it a case, that news organizations and the government may have worked together to dupe you, the public, in order to gain support for gun control laws. he even suggested that government may have hired trained crisis actors. at the very least, they think that reporters botched the story by not digging deep enough and really investigating what happened in newtown. on his blog, he points that other suspects were arrested after the shooting perhaps
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suggesting there is more than one gunman. this is a major point many conspiracy theorists argue, that reporters never followed up on who was arrested. that is not true. we know, for instance, that manfordonia was handcuffed by police the morning of the shooting. he confirmed that to us. he was on his way to the school to help make gingerbread houses with first graders when he heard popping sounds and smelled sulfur. in a chaotic situation, he ended up in handcuffs. tracy isn't the only one claiming sandy hook might have been staged. others say the family of emilie parker, who passionately spoke about his daughter, this man who spoke about his daughter, came out and spoke to reporters about his daughter being killed, you probably watched this speech. a lot of people say he was an actor pretending to be a grieving father. in fact, the family has had to take down her on-line memorial page because they have come under attack in the comment section on the site by these conspiracy theorists. some say that emilie, in fact, actually didn't die.
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as proof, they prove that a dress emilie wore is the same dress her little sister wore when the family met with president obama after the shooting. the internet conspiracy theorists say that is not emili's sister at all, that is emilie herself. in statement earlier today, her father told us, as a country we cannot let ourselves become derailed by the claims made by a number of people. this time is sacred for my family and for all those affected by this event. we cannot let these false claim corrupt us. it's another for an associate professor at a university to do it. again, we were hoping to talk to the professor tonight. we asked minimum again yesterday if he would come on. he said he couldn't come on because he teechs on tuesday night we offered to send a satellite truck or pre-tape the interview. he declined.
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out in front reporting on this sandy hook conspiracy theorists. believe it or not, conspiracy theorists have been making outrageous false claims about that massacre as well. alex, one of these conspiracy videos has gotten millions of hits on you tube and a lot of the claims are based on initial reporting which is often inaccurate. instead of seeing it as the fog of war or incorrect reporting early on, have you seen a theme why people believe the media and the government are in ka hoots to hire actors and make up killings? >> yeah, i spend all day today talking about scholars who studied conspiracy theories. there is a some that go back to the ma establish is a movement. these people are declined the government is out to get them any way. the media is in ka hoots with it and they jump on events like sandy hook as confirmation of
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these things. they have this confirmation bias as psychologist call it look for evidence that supports their theories and disregard anything that says otherwise. it helps to explain what happened. it explains the tragedy, gives meaning to why all of these children died. >> you spoke to a man named gene rosen who sheltered six students fleeing from the shooting at his house and i spoke to him last night. he came up to me off camera. he was weeping because he's being harassed by people who believe he made up the entire experience that he is part of a government hoax. >> yeah, this is really tragic. this is a guy who happened to be at the right place at the right time to help. he lives down the street from the shooting. he found six kids on his driveway. he took them inside. gave them food, called their parents and sat and talked to them and became a pub lick figure in the days afterwards. he gave a lot of media appearances because he said he
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wanted to highlight the bravery of the children. now he's had his world turned upside down by these people. they have called him, sent threatening e-mails. created fake google+ e-mail accounts in his name. it is outrageous. >> you say there are people that you are lying about your sister's murder in aurora. >> correct. exactly what alex was saying that i was a crisis actor, this is a government operation. how the government is out to pull the wool over our eyes, if you will, and mislead us to let obama take away gun rights. >> you said you have had death threats from some of them? >> i received a death threat investigated by three state entity answer the feds. >> it's one thing -- it's bad enough to be grieving the loss of our sister and your family but to go through attacked on-line and having people contact you.
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what's that like for you? >> i'm not worried about the safety of myself or my family. i'm worried about the individuals. this is behavior that when you reject facts and reiallety and you grasp to this idea that the government is out to get you, it's a slippery slope. what's next? the helicopters are out to get you. they should not have their hands on weapons or have a platform to seek but sho should be seeking mental health evaluation and help. >> they say we are asking questions. we are just asking questions. we don't have the facts. we don't have the facts. we are asking questions. it seems like under that ruse you can ask anything you want. you can say the most heinous things and wash your hands and say we're just asking questions. >> it's a fine line. we don't want to trample on the rights of free speech. asking questions also means asking questions of these conspiracy theories.
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they don't stand up to logic or interrogation of the facts. if they are actually asking questions, than ask why 99% of the evidence disproves what they are claiming and only a tiny thing supports what they are trying to say. >> it is upsetting because i interviewed family members whose those videos have popped up on conspiracy videos viewed millions of times and people are saying the people i interview ready trained actors. that no grieving parent could possibly smile when recounting how beautiful their little girl is and no grieving parent could appear on a camera without weeping when talking about their child. that's just not true. i've interviewed so many people in grief. this is one of the interviews people pointed to. another is an interview i did with a man and wife whose daughter grace was murdered. the idea that grief has a certain timetable or that you have to appear a certain way and
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that a parent couldn't have a smile on their face when recounting their beautiful little girl -- i mean, jordan, it seems -- it's so offensive i think. >> it is incredibly offensive. within days of the shooting there were videos on-line like that stating i was an actor that there was no way that i could deal with it the way i had dealt with it and they were digging through even facebook photos and photos posted years prior with me with a s.w.a.t. team i trained. saying there is proof he was an officer, an actor. he could have been at the theater. it is a rejection of reality. in fact many of their statements are contradictory, in fact. >> the idea that you have to look a certain way when you are grieving. there are parents who interviewed who cried off camera and had to steel themselves but
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felt it was important tell the story of who their child was and they want people to know who their child was, how the child lived their life. for these anonymous internet troll ares and this professor to suggest just asking questions, alex. i don't know -- i just think it really -- i know for a lot of the families in newtown it's -- it's something they never thought they would have to deal with. >> another thing is that when you blame the government, or whoever, you are actually removing the blame from the actual perpetrator and putting it on somebody else. in this quest to speak the truth, they are doing a disservice to everyone involved. >> appreciate your reporting, alex. i didn't know about this until i read some of your stuff early last week and that's when we started to reported on it alex, sorry you have to deal with these people and wish you
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continued strength and peace in the days ahead. >> thank you for keeping them honest, anderson. a woman trying to turn tragedy in to cash. we told you about her. her name is noel alba and we think it is important we name her. she lives in new york. she was claiming to be noah pozner's aunt soliciting donations in his name. this is what happened when she was paid a visit. are you miss alba. you have set up, you say, donations on behalf of one of the victims of the newtown tragedy. >> no. >> no? it was your name and e-mail address. >> i will show you what i have. >> can i come in with the camera crew? >> no. >> she went on to say people in the crafting community that she's a crafter and she has enemies in the crafting community that are out to get her.
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a grand jury in bridgeport, connecticut indicted her. she faces one count of making false statements in connection with their investigation in to newtown relateding fraud. we will continue to stay on that story. next, how the white house plans to prevent another tragedy or hopes to. breaking news on that and what you have to wait to hear from urm president obama. one will be a tough sell with a lot of lawmakers. jess c jessica yellin has the inside info next. can you find a take where it's a bit more dramatic on that last line, yeah? yeah i got it right here. someone help me!!! i have a flat tire!!! well it's good... good for me. what do you think? geico. fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance.
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breaking news, details of president obama's announce on gun control including one sthaep gun advocates say is a nonstarter. chief white house correspondent jessica yellin did a lot of digging to get this. >> tomorrow when the president unveils his proposal, you can expect him to press for a ban on all high-capacity magazines with bullets or ten bullets or more. a background check for all gun sales, that includes mental health and criminal background checks that would apply to gun shows, private sales and would crackdown on what is called private swaps. if i try to privately sell a gun to you that would require a background check under the legislation he's pressing for, an assault weapons ban and more funds to be made available or additional funding to be introduced for mental health repairedness and to make school
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safety more readily available. some of this, anderson, some of these steps could be through executive action but most of the ones i outlined will require congressional approval. >> the major one there would be -- and most difficult would be an assault weapons man ban. >> i have had a number of conversations with democrats and they have down played the assault weapons ban to me. what they said are top priorities is making universal background checks the law of the land and a ban on high-capacity ammunition the law of the land. they say those two components can do more to improve gun safety and they point out the gabrielle giffords shooter used a handgun with a high-capacity ammunition clip so the assault weapons ban couldn't have done good whereas their legislation would have. >> stay with us.
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i want to bring in dan gross, president of the brady campaign to end gun violence. what do you make of what jessica is reporting? [ inaudible ] >> we're having a hard time hearing you because of the announcement. let me just bring jessica back and we will come to you again. hopefully they will have stopped the announcement. in terms of what could be possible through executive order, on this list, some of the information on background checks, perhaps? >> expanding the way that -- improving the way background checks are conducted could be down through executive order. making the information more readily available. improving the way mental health is reported forward could be done through executive order and gathering more research on where the guns are in america. that's another thing that could
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be done. there's a long list. i could go on but you may want to get to your guest. >> check back with dan gross. mr. gross, what do you make of this? is this what you expected? is this what you hoped for? >> it is what we expected and hoped for. they have been saying they want to take an ernest look at what we can do to prevent tragedies like newtown, gun deaths happen every day and they want to act according to the consensus that they are hearing and there is a passionate outcry from the american public around all the solutions and they will contribute. as a result we are pleased. >> if you are not able to get an assault weapons ban, which obviously seems to be the most difficult to get through congress and perhaps the high-capacity magazines, would you be satisfied with the other
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things on the list? >> you know, i don't think it is time to start -- the list yet. the administration said they were looking for a comprehensive solution to do everything they can to make this is a safer nation. it is up to the american public to rally a voice to hold elected official accountable to listen to the conversation that is going on in the public. if we can do that, i don't think that anything should be off the table. if we can't, nothing will pass. the white house has done its job. we will appreciate their continued leadership on this. but now it is up to us, the american public to make our voice heard. it's not time to start to -- any solution. >> appreciate you joining us. i know you are on the train. >> a month and a day after the newtown killings, new york
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governor como signed tough legislation in to law. it limits gun clips to seven rounds maximum. the national rifle association denounced the measure saying it will have no impact on public safety and crime. turning to breaking news from capitol hill, the house approved a $50 billion aid package for areas hit hard by superstorm sandy. that's on top of the 10 billion in flood relief money approved last month. the senate will have to take up the house bill or restart with a new bill for the 50 billion and that could delay relief efforts. weather watches and warnings are in effect from texas to maine. flooding and icy conditions are the concern in tennessee while heavy snow is forecasted for parts of the mid-atlantic states and new england. near stockholm, sweden, a 20-year-old cleaning lady stole a train. her joyride ended when she crashed it in to an apartment building. no one was hurt but the woman
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was trapped in the wreckage for two hours. she was hospitalized with serious injuries. let that serve as a lesson at home to you. >> why she decided to take that out, who knows. following the ordeal of a former marine jailed in mexico for more than four months and his life threatened. his parents fighting to bring him home and now he is finally free and i will speak to him next. probiotic cap each day helps defend against these digestive issues with three strains of good bacteria. live the regular life. phillips'.
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former marine's harrowing ordeal is finally free from in the mexican prison where he was held more than four months. jon hammer was chained to his bed at times. he was there on a questionable gun charge after crossing the border with a fellow veteran on a surfing trip. hammer took an antique shotgun that used to belong to his great grandfather with him and border officials said he could bring it in with proper paperwork. as soon as he crossed the border he was arrested and taken to
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jail. gary tuchman went and wasn't allowed in. his parents said the conditions in the prison were horrible and i was a nightmare for them and him. jon hammer has been finally released and is joining me live. good to see you back here. first of all, how are you doing? >> i'm all right. i'm doing better. i was sick when i first got out. i spent five days in the hospital, but i think i'm doing a lot better right now. >> when you crossed the border, you told the u.s. border official that you had this old gun that you wanted to bring it down on this trip with you. what did they tell you? >> they told me if i fill out the proper paperwork they were giving me and i declare it when i get in to mexico, just across the border, that i i should be fine. i paid a fee after i filled out the paperwork. took the paperwork and the weapon to the mexican side and
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declared the shotgun. >> why did you want to bring a shotgun to mexico? >> that shotgun is -- it was basically a part of my camping equipment. we were planning to camp in the wilderness. so if we were in a place where hunting was allowed and we saw something that we could eat and cook on a fire, we'd take the shot and have food. >> so you pay the fee. you fill out the forms. you cross over the border. basically, you get arrested in mexico. they don't tell you at first they are going to arrest you. they tell you they are going to take you someplace but you end up in this jail. what were the conditions like? you walk in and what is it like? >> the first jail we went to was more like a holding cell. we spent four days over there. they released my friend because i was driving and i declared the shotgun. after four days, they took me to prison. it was a state-run prison.
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the conditions were pretty bad, especially since they put me in solitaire confinement after my first day. you know, like they chained me up and i spent the majority of the time by myself in an outside shed. i was outside for the whole time i was there. >> i know your parents got a call from other prisoners who were basically trying to extort money from you and your family. >> right. when i first came in to that prison, it was like 3:00 in the morning. other inmates in there when i first got in there and tried to extort money from my family and the american consulate was contacted. then they told the jail they had to take me out of the general population. so their solution was to put me in a solitaire confinement area and have the guards watch me. >> i mean, i know you are a marine and you have military
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training. how do you not completely freak out in solitaire confinement in a mexican prison with people outside the door who want to do you harm? >> it was very hard. i had to really concentrate. i had two books. i somehow got ahold of two books that were in english while there there. it help med a lot. i went through the phases of depression, anger and things like that. but i got through it. >> i know a number of news groups, politicians got involved. our gary tuchman went down there. were you aware he was trying to get in to the prison to talk to you? >> no. i had no idea. >> i got to ask what was it like to finally be released and see your hfamily and to know you ar
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safe. >> it was pretty amazing. when i crossed that border i was very sick at the time but i was still thrilled and extremely grateful to have my freedom back and see my family. >> i know the point of the trip was to have a relaxing time to go surfing. i know you have some recovering to do. do you want to go surfing, would you go back to mexico? >> mexico has a lot of issues right now. you won't be seeing me in mexico for a long time, if ever. there's a lot of other countries that i'd like to visit that are, you know, involved with surfing. yeah, you know n the near future, hopefully i can get back in the water and do what i like to do. >> i was on the north shore of oahu. they have great waves there. i recommend that. it is pretty safe. glad you are safe and back with your family. thank you. >> thank you, anderson. thank you very much. >> you take care, jon hammar. another deadly school
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360 news and business bulletin. officials in kentucky say two people died in a shooting in a parking lot at hazard community and technical college. a third victim was rushed to the hospital with injuries. a boeing 787 dreamliner made an emergency landing in japan after an alarm signal on a battery went off. the emergency landing comes as u.s. officials are investigating a battery fire aboard a boeing 787 in boston last week. all nippon airways and japan airlines have grounded their dreamliner fleets. wal-mart says it will hire 100,000 u.s. military veterans over the next five years. it will be one of the largest
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hiring commitments for veterans on record, according to the company. a man watching a police chase on tv in engelwood, california, got an unexpected surprise when he looked out his window and he saw the drama drive right past his house. anderson? >> thank you very much. coming up, if your gps told you to drive to a different country, would you do it? the ridiculist is next. dry mouth may start off as an irritant. it'll cause cavities, bad breath. patients will try and deal with it by drinking water. water will work for a few seconds but if you're not drinking it, it's going to get dry again. i recommend biotene. all the biotene products like the oral rinse...the sprays have enzymes in them. the whole formulation just works very well. it leaves the mouth feeling fresh. if i'm happy with the results and my patients are happy with the results, i don't need to look any farther.
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tonight a rather extreme reminder that in these modern times in which we live we shouldn't blind rely on the technology made to make life easier. a woman learned this when she set off to pick up a friend in brussels. she followed her gps and ended
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up driving to croatia, 900 miles away. it took more than a day. she had to pull over to sleep and got in to faender bender. the story is all over the place. i was skeptical. it sounds like an "onion" article. she said i switched on the gps and punched in the address. then i started out. my gps sent machine on several diversions and must have gone wrong. i saw tons of sign sign posts in german but i kept driving. i guess some people do whatever their gps tells them to do like michael scott "the office." >> make a right sglurn it means bear right. >> no, it said take a right. >> no, look. it means go up to the right, bear right over the bridge and hook up with 307. >> maybe it is a short cut. it said go to the right it. >> can't mean that.